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    He was always going to show up sometime as the rumors have been rumbling for years. Your turn is up, Louis CK.

    “I think the line gets crossed when you take all your clothes off and start masturbating,” Ms. Wolov said

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      An open secret for years, and these are likely just the women who have gone on the record now. Expect a lot more to come forward.

      Unlike with Weinstein, this is someone who late night comedians have had on their shows before and who is represented by agents and publicists that they work with. I'm expecting not many comments about this from the late night shows or other big-name comedians.

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        Uggh. What a sweaty dirty bastard.

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          4 women have accused Roy Moore (Alabama Senate runner) of sexual ... stuff.

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            This is so depressing.

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              Gero, Moore is being done in the Trump thread

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                Yes, just read it, thanks.

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                  Spacey is costing these companies so much money in re-shoots that maybe it will lead to closer scrutiny of whom is employed in future work. If any actor has a reputation, he must be a risk, so avoid hiring him.

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                    Now an accusation against Mad Men creator Matthew Weiner.

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                      Never been big into Louis CK really. His standup lacks intelligence and depth. Just a man on stage talking about genitals.

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                        He had Ricky Gervais on his hbo sitcom. That’s enough to condemn him for me, even before his wank happy behaviour became public.

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                          You must mean his FX show, Louie. Gervais plays his doctor. His standup isn't only about genitals, although it's going to seem more like that now. I think there were some fair reasons why he was selling out Madison Square Garden.

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                            He has much better material than that.

                            But still. So upsetting. Oh well.

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                              And if we thought the bad news as only about Weinstein plus a load of people whom we* used to like, here's Charlie Sheen accused of sodomising a 13-year old. He denies it and the alleged victim's mother denies it too.


                              * Terms and conditions apply

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                                Louis CK was brilliant. I thought he was very funny and clever. I will now file him in the same mental cupboard as Morrissey - someone who spoke to me once but now appalls me.

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                                  This Twitter thread is the happy place to escape from all the crap. Eyewitness evidence of celebs not actually being scumbags.

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                                    I'm expecting not many comments about this from the late night shows or other big-name comedians.
                                    Spot on, Inca.

                                    Colbert mentioned it, and that CK cancelled his appearance, and then sidestepped it entirely.

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                                      Originally posted by ad hoc View Post
                                      Louis CK was brilliant. I thought he was very funny and clever. I will now file him in the same mental cupboard as Morrissey - someone who spoke to me once but now appalls me.
                                      This, although I kind of missed Morrissey the first time around. The sad fact is that geniuses have never been exempt from terrible behavior. I've regularly worked the Richard Wagner conundrum into classes, for example. A lot of creative people have weird psychological issues.

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                                        Originally posted by Gerontophile View Post
                                        Spot on, Inca.

                                        Colbert mentioned it, and that CK cancelled his appearance, and then sidestepped it entirely.
                                        I'll be very surprised if this doesn't get discussed in comedian podcast land. I don't see any way Joe Rogan could avoid it, for example. Or Bill Burr. There's gonna be tons of discomfort to work through.

                                        It's so sad. As anyone who's followed him knows, he has two young daughters of whom he's super-protective. I feel so bad for them right now. He's clearly got issues but he's not another Weinstein, so my disgust is mixed with sadness. I gather that these actions are all from years ago, and that having kids changed him, but I don't know.

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                                          Speaking of comedians reacting to it, Jon Stewart was asked about the rumors last year during question time after an interview by David Axelrod at the University of Chicago. He appeared genuine in saying he hadn't heard about them, and genuinely surprised. Which seems curious given that people are now saying that everyone knew. I wouldn't peg Stewart as the kind of guy to dissemble on that.

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                                            Originally posted by Bruno View Post
                                            It's so sad. As anyone who's followed him knows, he has two young daughters of whom he's super-protective. I feel so bad for them right now. He's clearly got issues but he's not another Weinstein, so my disgust is mixed with sadness. I gather that these actions are all from years ago, and that having kids changed him, but I don't know.
                                            It is the hugely degrading behavior of an asshole. May he have fun explaining his actions to his children. There is no need to try and let him off as a changed man; just maybe he has learned to be as ashamed of his actions as he ought to be.

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                                              Letting him off, what the fuck?

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                                                "having kids changed him"
                                                "actions are all from years ago"

                                                Maybe it is what makes it easier for you to have enjoyed his comedy, but these are the first steps to explaining this behavior away.

                                                Plus let's not overlook how he has labelled this as all rumors for years. In effect forcing the women to put their names to the story. He is a complete bastard.

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                                                  So you think I want to "explain away" sex crimes. Go fuck yourself.

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                                                    I've said zero objectionable things on this thread. I'll spell out my views in full to please the moral grandstanders who like to blow their police whistles and fill in the things I didn't say for me on the assumption that I'm stupid, and then I'm seriously fucking done with this place. You won't miss me and I won't miss you.

                                                    1) There should be no statute of limitations on sex crimes.
                                                    2) Louis CK should be prosecuted to the extent possible and his career should probably be over, although I suppose rehabilitation is another discussion that needn't happen here.
                                                    3) I feel worse for victims of sex crimes than for the perpetrators.
                                                    4) "It's sad" means "it's sad to watch someone you admired fall from grace," which it always is.
                                                    5) "It's sad" doesn't mean "poor Louis CK," and I even spelled it out that I was sad for his daughters in particular.

                                                    Bye.

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