Charlie Sheen (not dead)

[Rogin the Armchair fan]

Charlie Sheen (not dead)

You never hear anything about Emilio, any more. One of those who just decided to go off and lead a quiet (ie out of the tabloids) life, I guess.

[G-Man]

Charlie Sheen (not dead)

Emilio is into production now. By all accounts a man more like his father.

[Jesus]

Charlie Sheen (not dead)

Bored of Education wrote: ...but announcing something major today. Thought to be that he is HIV+

That, I must say, is one of the worst starts of a thread ever.
I'm no big pals with Charlie, but what was your intention here?

Screams tabloid all over it.

Sorry, I have no beef with you but that was simply so "wtf!?"

[Calvert]

Charlie Sheen (not dead)

Yeah, I have to admit I found g-man's initial post as not very Christian, but then I realised it's probably very Christian in it's preachy tone.

I've watched Wall Street a few times and always enjoyed it for some reason.

[Bored Of Education]

Charlie Sheen (not dead)

Jesus wrote:

...but announcing something major today. Thought to be that he is HIV+

That, I must say, is one of the worst starts of a thread ever.
I'm no big pals with Charlie, but what was your intention here?

Screams tabloid all over it.

Sorry, I have no beef with you but that was simply so "wtf!?"

Well, firstly, it is obviously a subject of interest to people as is evidenced by the posts on this thread. I could have waited until the announcement but, when Radio 4 suggests that it is about HIV, you can guarantee it is about HIV. They aren't the National Enquirer.

[Bored Of Education]

Charlie Sheen (not dead)

Calvert wrote: Yeah, I have to admit I found g-man's initial post as not very Christian, but then I realised it's probably very Christian in it's preachy tone.

I am not sure, Calvert, but are you relating that to Jesus' mention of my opening post. I am not sure of the connection .

[Calvert]

Charlie Sheen (not dead)

No. I'm mentioning what i perceive as a lack of charity in g-man's post. I haven't mentioned you.

[G-Man]

Charlie Sheen (not dead)

Calvert wrote: Yeah, I have to admit I found g-man's initial post as not very Christian, but then I realised it's probably very Christian in it's preachy tone.

I've watched Wall Street a few times and always enjoyed it for some reason.

You want me to feel sorry for a guy if he had to phone women with the news that he possibly infected them with HIV/Aids? When four women reportedly said that he had intercourse with them when he knew he was infected?

If that is being preachy, well, sign me up.

[Calvert]

Charlie Sheen (not dead)

'Reportedly' isn't fact.

[Bored Of Education]

Charlie Sheen (not dead)

Calvert wrote: No. I'm mentioning what i perceive as a lack of charity in g-man's post. I haven't mentioned you.

Sorry, it was the "Yeah..." that threw me off.

[Calvert]

Charlie Sheen (not dead)

I assure you I had no such thought.

I'm no fan of Charlie Sheen, he would appear to be a bit of a spoiled brat. I just thought certain statements were a bit speculative and uncharitable towards someone who finds themselves in the awful situation he does right now.

[Incandenza]

Charlie Sheen (not dead)

Not to excuse him not disclosing his status, but he supposedly had an undetectable viral load. It's extremely rare for a partner to contract the virus from a positive partner, even from unprotected sex, if the partner's HIV is undetectable. It's certainly safer than having unprotected sex with someone who thinks they are negative, but haven't had any tests.

I have a feeling this might be an unpopular opinion, but none of the stories/rumors that I have read have said that these were anything other than consensual encounters. I don't know if Sheen had told women that he would wear a condom, but if they were aware that he wasn't wearing a condom, then I'm having a hard time seeing them as completely innocent victims if they did indeed contract HIV from him. It's not like Charlie Sheen's reputation was any secret, and he apparently had nondisclosure forms ready for women to sign. Those seem like huge red flags to me, but they went forward with boning down with a guy that everyone knew fucked women left and right, and who apparently didn't want to wear a condom.

[G-Man]

Charlie Sheen (not dead)

Well, yeah, which brings me straight back to the point which Calvert found "preachy": Not to take precaution against HIV-infection and other STDs is highly irresponsible (I have a hunch that Calvert thought I was referring to Sheen's promiscuity in using that term, but I've already addressed that).

But I think you are overestimating the agency of women in these encounters. The power dynamic is not equal here, and if Sheen was whipping out legal documents before the act, then it is not a foregone conclusion that she feels empowered to insist on Sheen wearing protection, even if the encounter is consensual.

As for Sheen's sexual etiquette, this from the Daily Mail (I'll copy & paste so that nobody needs to go to that place):

Jason Quinlan, the close friend of a woman who had a threesome with Sheen at his Beverly Hills mansion in 2011, revealed to DailyMail.com that the actor paid $10million after the woman learned he was HIV-psoitive - which he did not disclose before they had unprotected sex.

The woman only learned of his status when after a 12-hour drug, alcohol and sex marathon, the spaced-out superstar nonchalantly asked the porn star to fetch his 'HIV pills' from the bathroom.

'She felt sick, she told me she had been having unprotected sex with Charlie and was convinced she had contracted HIV from him,' said Quinlan.

'She told me, "I'd been having unprotected sex with him for almost a year along with 50 other girls at minimum."'

Some of the actor's former flames are also going public and revealing details of their trysts with Sheen.

Hours after Sheen told Lauer that he has had the virus for 'roughly four years' and informed all of his sexual partners since that time, the actor's former girlfriend Bree Olson made an appearance on The Howard Stern Show telling a very different story.

She claimed that Sheen never once revealed to her that he is HIV-positive, and said later in a separate interview with Inside Edition; 'He's a monster.'

Shortly after Olson appeared on Stern's show another one of Sheen's sexual partners, Natalie Kenly, came forward to say that the actor never told her either that he is HIV-positive.

Sources close to Sheen tell TMZ that he did not find out he is HIV-positive until May 2011, at which time he was no longer with Olson - though he was still dating Kenly.

TMZ is also reporting that already six of Sheen's former sexual partners are planning to sue the actor for 'intentional infliction of emotional distress, fraud, sexual battery.'

Some of these women are alleging they have had both protected and unprotected sex with Sheen as recently as a month ago.

And Calvert thinks calling that kind of thing "irresponsible" is preachy and lacking in charity?

[G-Man]

Charlie Sheen (not dead)

Having said all that, it is also a commendable thing that Sheen has publicly disclosed his HIV status. This does help address the stigma attached to HIV/Aids in regions where it is still an obstacle.

The downside is that those who want to perpetuate the stigma might take the Sheen case as evidence that those who are infected have themselves to blame, which certainly in Africa very often is not the case.

[Bored Of Education]

Charlie Sheen (not dead)

"I'd been having unprotected sex with him for almost a year along with 50 other girls at minimum."'

This does strike me as a bit of a clue.