Similar feelings here, though the last two films (not counting Solo or the other Rogue One thing cos I haven't watched them) pissed me off for pandering to ageing fanboys (would kids enjoy them? I'm not so sure) as much as the prequels were a load of Lucas driven slapstick racist aliens for kids bollocks.
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Originally posted by Lang Spoon View PostSimilar feelings here, though the last two films (not counting Solo or the other Rogue One thing cos I haven't watched them) pissed me off for pandering to ageing fanboys (would kids enjoy them? I'm not so sure) as much as the prequels were a load of Lucas driven slapstick racist aliens for kids bollocks.
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I'm still wishing for the parallel universe where Spielberg got kicked off the shitshow shoot of Jaws before editing, and Lucas was stuck in the mire of trying to direct Apocalypse Now in his own ham fisted fashion and we were saved from Corman style B movies becoming what Hollywood spends all its money on.
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Brilliant bit of late night curmudgeonliness there with San Bernardhinault and Lang Spoon playing Statdler and Waldorf. I can understand the former's parting of the ways with the franchise after watching Episode One. I am not sure how I had the foresight to ignore that trilogy but I did and am glad that I did - although I often think that, now the later films had ensured that the originals won't be spoilt for me, I should, for completeness sake if nothing else. Basically, if you don't like Star Wars, no-one is going to persuade you that you will and, vice versa. I am intrigued by NS and San Bernardhinault liked the original and now have 'grown out of it'. I can't think of any of my favourite films from when I was younger - Some Like It Hot, the stupid Roger Moore James Bond movies, even the Disney classics like Bambi - not filling me with a thrill even if it is just of nostalgic evocation. The new films very effectively build on that nostalgic thrill as well as fairly common need to see what happened to your long-term heroes - see also Thunder Road, Blade Runner 2049 - even if it is what happened before the story you know.
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Originally posted by Bordeaux Education View PostBrilliant bit of late night curmudgeonliness there with San Bernardhinault and Lang Spoon playing Statdler and Waldorf. I can understand the former's parting of the ways with the franchise after watching Episode One. I am not sure how I had the foresight to ignore that trilogy but I did and am glad that I did - although I often think that, now the later films had ensured that the originals won't be spoilt for me, I should, for completeness sake if nothing else. Basically, if you don't like Star Wars, no-one is going to persuade you that you will and, vice versa. I am intrigued by NS and San Bernardhinault liked the original and now have 'grown out of it'. I can't think of any of my favourite films from when I was younger - Some Like It Hot, the stupid Roger Moore James Bond movies, even the Disney classics like Bambi - not filling me with a thrill even if it is just of nostalgic evocation. The new films very effectively build on that nostalgic thrill as well as fairly common need to see what happened to your long-term heroes - see also Thunder Road, Blade Runner 2049 - even if it is what happened before the story you know.
Well, the first firm was great in it's own right and worked as pretty much a complete story, though there was, of course, some back story that we were unaware of at the time. But basically there were some baddies who, after a struggle, got their comeuppance and there were some great characters, special effects and action scenes. But when I watched it I didn't know that it was (just checked) part 4 of a how many-part story, that would unfold, out of sequence, for the following 42 years and counting.
As I said, when I watch the new films I'm just unsure who many of the characters are, what their relationships to everyone else is and of vast swathes of context.
Which feels really odd.
I should probably just spend 20 minutes or so on Wiki before I watch the next film, if I do, but if someone wants to give me a brief synopsis of where we are I'd be most grateful.
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Rey, who may or may not be related to a goody or a baddy from the first films (she was told not in the last film by Emo Solo, but he's a baddy) has the force and is a jedi. Emo Solo is now in charge of the baddies having killed his boss with her help.
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So am I right in thinking that Nocturnal Submission and San Bernardhinault believe the reboots have been aimed too much at kids while Lang Spoon thinks they've been made exclusively for aging fanboys and, er, not enough for kids?
As for the latter, the comment that the last two films of the main story were "pandering to ageing fanboys (would kids enjoy them? I'm not so sure)" is particularly peculiar as a) 'The Last Jedi' famously outraged a large section of the fanboy audience and b) my kids bloody love the films and the screenings of each successive film are always full of people their age.
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Originally posted by Rogin the Armchair fan View PostRey, who may or may not be related to a goody or a baddy from the first films (she was told not in the last film by Emo Solo, but he's a baddy) has the force and is a jedi. Emo Solo is now in charge of the baddies having killed his boss with her help.
OK, good. Does having The Force make you a Jedi or, to become a Jedi, do you have to develop The Force within you? And what is a Jedi, (merely someone who has The Force?)
Emo Solo is the son of Hans and Princess Leia, yes?
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Originally posted by Ray de Galles View PostSo am I right in thinking that Nocturnal Submission and San Bernardhinault believe the reboots have been aimed too much at kids while Lang Spoon thinks they've been made exclusively for aging fanboys and, er, not enough for kids?
As for the latter, the comment that the last two films of the main story were "pandering to ageing fanboys (would kids enjoy them? I'm not so sure)" is particularly peculiar as a) 'The Last Jedi' famously outraged a large section of the fanboy audience and b) my kids bloody love the films and the screenings of each successive film are always full of people their age.
No, not for me. I'm perfectly happy with the tone of the films. I'm just utterly confused as to relationships and back story.
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Originally posted by Rogin the Armchair fan View Post
Unclear, this is.
Haha! Are you born with it or do you develop it within you?
And what was Yoda?
(Was Annakin Skywalker Darth Vader's real name? Who are the Sith and where do they fit into the story? Where are we currently as regards the Empire V the Rebel Alliance - the former very much in the ascendancy?)
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Originally posted by Nocturnal Submission View Post(W)hen I watched it I didn't know that it was (just checked) part 4 of a how many-part story, that would unfold, out of sequence, for the following 42 years and counting.
...and this is a reasonable time line
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Originally posted by Ray de Galles View PostAs for the latter, the comment that the last two films of the main story were "pandering to ageing fanboys (would kids enjoy them? I'm not so sure)" is particularly peculiar as a) 'The Last Jedi' famously outraged a large section of the fanboy audience and b) my kids bloody love the films and the screenings of each successive film are always full of people their age.
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OK, so it seems like I've seen the wrong bits of the wrong reboots.
Can someone confirm that I have no reason to ever see Episodes 2 & 3 - they don't provide any useful context and are basically all a bit rubbish?
And that the only stuff really worth catching up on are Episodes 7, 8 (and 9)?
Or should I try again with Rouge One (and those other spin-offs)?
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Originally posted by Nocturnal Submission View PostThe charts have helped a lot.
Is Darth Vader's father The Force?
What's the difference between a Clone Trooper and a Storm Trooper?
I think the first Storm Troopers were the remaining Clone Troopers (who were all clones of Boba Fett's dad, Jango Fett?) but since then "normal" humans (are Star Wars humans technically humans?), such as Finn in the new movies, have also been recruited to become Stormtroopers (who, apparently also clean the toilets and take care of general sanitation duties on Imperial mega weapons, when they're not massacring civilians).
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Cheers.
So who are the Sith? And what exactly is or was Yoda? I thought he was a wizened dwarf or something.Last edited by Nocturnal Submission; 25-10-2019, 15:46.
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