Presenters who mispronounce foreign names

[pebblethefish]

In fairness, it was a stool. Much easier to fall off.

[treibeis]

From fairly recent posts (at random) from the banking thread:


Is the 'vid going to push us into a GFC Redux scenario? Loads of people aren't going to be able to pay their mortgages, MBSs, CDOs

Outside of CMBS, CLOs are looking like the most likely vector for transmission

The Bank of England MREL framework

They are finally pushing that down to customers? UBS and DB have been doing this on banks for a good few years.

Treasurers have more to worry about in SOFIR.

Also, early commentary seems to support my hunch that the overriding of the ECJ is a BFD,

You've fallen off your chair again, haven't you?

[ChrisJ]

Is it more "cumm-ree"?

Well that's how I say it. Mind, my Welsh isn't all that.

[Sporting]

From fairly recent posts (at random) from the banking thread:


Is the 'vid going to push us into a GFC Redux scenario? Loads of people aren't going to be able to pay their mortgages, MBSs, CDOs

Outside of CMBS, CLOs are looking like the most likely vector for transmission

The Bank of England MREL framework

They are finally pushing that down to customers? UBS and DB have been doing this on banks for a good few years.

Treasurers have more to worry about in SOFIR.

Also, early commentary seems to support my hunch that the overriding of the ECJ is a BFD,

[DCI Harry Batt]

Is it more "cumm-ree"?

[ChrisJ]

Every so often, someone on the BBC will have a go at 'Cymru' and almost inevitably say "Coomry". No idea why.

[Sam]

Our son's name, which is not rare, is pronounced differently in German, English and Spanish; the vowel sounds change in all three; syllable emphasis changes in Spanish. I say this merely to remind people that pronunciation isn't easy. I would also add that those of us who have learned foreign languages as adults know that for various reasons certain sounds and combinations (for example, consonant clusters for Spanish speakers or the trilled Spanish r for most native English speakers) are very difficult to master.

On the one hand, this is true.

On the other, the surname Martinez (I'm leaving it unaccented here because the board won't display the 'i' otherwise) is incredibly easy to pronounce, but football commentators – and seemingly only football commentators – in Britain always put the stress on the wrong syllable.

[Nefertiti2]

I'm reasonably sure this is on its way to becoming a culture war thing, where people who take the trouble to pronounce non-English words correctly are denounced as 'effete woke metropolitan liberals' or whatever. The cycling commentator Rob Hatch recently shared a communication he received chiding him for his "over enthusiastic" (i.e. usually correct) pronunciation of riders' names.

It’s a kind of loyalty test. If the politics reporters can’t be bothered why should the football journos.

This is Britain -we don’t pronounce foreigners’ names properly.

Incidentally one of the most interesting names in England is Rothschild pronounced Roth’s-child

in Germany where the family originated it’s written the same Roth-Schild -literally “red shield”

[delicatemoth]

I'm reasonably sure this is on its way to becoming a culture war thing, where people who take the trouble to pronounce non-English words correctly are denounced as 'effete woke metropolitan liberals' or whatever. The cycling commentator Rob Hatch recently shared a communication he received chiding him for his "over enthusiastic" (i.e. usually correct) pronunciation of riders' names.

[Stumpy Pepys]

My Bavarian postman once pronounced my surname so strangely that I had no idea who he was looking for.

Although, to be fair to the postal service, the previous one used to crack jokes in English and would occasionally sing 'Please Mr Postman' as he passed by.

[treibeis]

The BBC has a department you can phone up and simply ask how any word, any name in any language is pronounced. There's really no excuse.

Unless the BBC pronunciation department pronounces the name wrongly. Which they do with The Lady I Walked To The Registry Office With, her late father and her stepmother. The first two are/were Germans living, back then, in Sweden, so, yes, all right, get it wrong. The third is Swedish, and they get it wrong (it's not "Kar-ren", it's "Korr-aen"). And even I can pronounce it correctly, although, otherwise, I can't pronounce shit.

[diggedy derek]

The BBC has a department you can phone up and simply ask how any word, any name in any language is pronounced. There's really no excuse.

[DPDPDPDP]

My granda would have an exasperated explosion at the telly on the rare occasion Kirkcaldy made the U.K. "national" news. "Do they no dae any bloody research, were in the same bloody country" as some bools in the mooth type rhymed the middle syllable with pal rather than paw.

Aye, they were dancing in the streets of Raith when they won the League Cup in 1994.

[DPDPDPDP]

Seems appropriate to remind ourselves of BBC newsreader overcompensating in the other direction and pronouncing Tannadice ‘Tannadeechay’.

Must’ve been early in our Euro glory years because by the end surely everyone knew.

I’m sure that the reporter would have got a good clout in the lug from Jim McLean for saying that.

[Evariste Euler Gauss]

The same pronunciation as Magdalen College, Oxford.

[Walt Flanagans Dog]

How is that pronounced?

Maudlin

(edit, resisted the tap in that was "Came Bridge")

[Hot Pepsi]

See also Magdalene College, Cambridge

How is that pronounced?

[3 Colours Red]

Aside: how reliable are online pronunciation tools?

Google Translate's for Welsh are a joke, I know that much.

As for my major bugbear, I can't believe I'm siding with Jose Mourinho with this. Portuguese does not sound like Spanish.

[Guy Profumo]

Thought it was long gone, Satchmo

[Satchmo Distel]

ON LANGUAGE; STINE OR STEEN? https://nyti.ms/29QsDxS

I hear the author's name, Safire, as rhyming with Shakiri, but could also imagine the some pronunciation as Sapphire.

Does the BBC Pronunciation department still exist? If so, how do BBC announcers still fuck up?

Aside: how reliable are online pronunciation tools?

[Sporting]

https://forvo.com/word/mesut_%C3%B6zil/#tr (Turkish)

https://forvo.com/word/mesut_%C3%B6zil/#de (German)

The l is different as well.

[Duncan Gardner]

Brief reprise for the Ultonia Quiz

1 COMBER rhymes with

A Bomber
B Lumber
C Roamer
D Sombre

2 MILLISLE rhymes with

A Bill is ill
B Filly
C Beguile
D Catweazle

3 STRABANE rhymes with

A Cezanne
B Inane
C Groin
D Danny

4 The stress is DONAGHADEE falls on

A DON
B AGH
C A
D DEE

5 How best to pronounce Steven Davis's home village?

A a-hog-HILL
B EE-hack-all
C Uh-HOCK-ill
D there's-fuck-all-THERE

[ad hoc]

I think it would be more like Ur-zil

[Stumpy Pepys]

Just thinking out loud about something that occurred to me reading another thread, is there a tendency at all to filter pronunciations through more than one language in the case of, say Mesut Ozil? In Germany is his name pronounced in the Turkish way, or in a slightly altered way?

I've only ever heard Oezil pronounced in a phonetically German way (Ur-sill) in Germany. How would you say it in Turkish?

[Lang Spoon]

It's like Worcestershire for Jocks. Class marker