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    Must catch it on the RTE Player, judging by the Liveline reaction:

    https://twitter.com/rteliveline/status/1255841599160008704

    https://twitter.com/rteliveline/status/1255843859856330752

    https://twitter.com/rteliveline/status/1255855676552884224

    #2
    We're four episodes in and it's compelling. My wife read the book when it was released and is very happy at how true an adaption it is.

    Too much to hope that Liveline is a parody, I suppose?
    Last edited by Ray de Galles; 01-05-2020, 14:06.

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      #3
      I watched the first two and don't know if I need to see more. It's very well done. I'm just not sure I care.

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        #4
        I read the book and enjoyed it, though thought it tailed off toward the end. I don't know how compelling a TV show would be. Are they hour long episodes, or half-hour episodes?

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          #5
          They're short. I think a half hour. I heard an interview with one of the directors who explained why they preferred that to hour episodes.

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            #6
            The reviews of Irish Twitter are in. Women who went to college in the last 25 years love it, the gays love it, the straight men of Ireland are going to wait until the compilation highlights turn up on one of their, er, favourite media aggregation sites.

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              #7
              Lifeline is v much 4Real, Ray. It's the shittest thing on the shitty rte radio. Even worse than fucking Tubirdy. It's where auld wee wifies go and moan.

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                #8
                I enjoyed it.

                Lacked a really good ending maybe and I would have preferred more time spent in Carricklea, rather than with Marianne's mostly dickish Trinity College pals. Two cracking performances from the leads.

                It's stayed with me a little. Perhaps because in the last week I decided to bring two boxes of school and university paraphenali down from the attic and start sorting through them. So it's been a nostaliga binge fest that this series tapped into.

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                  #9
                  Re the initial post - did anyone ask "Mary" how many porno movies she has seen? If not, can someone please do so?

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by marsupialman View Post
                    I enjoyed it.

                    Lacked a really good ending maybe and I would have preferred more time spent in Carricklea, rather than with Marianne's mostly dickish Trinity College pals. Two cracking performances from the leads.

                    It's stayed with me a little. Perhaps because in the last week I decided to bring two boxes of school and university paraphenali down from the attic and start sorting through them. So it's been a nostaliga binge fest that this series tapped into.
                    I imagine the douchebaggery level at a prestigious place like Trinity is fairly high. That's not the university's fault, really. It seems to just be how young people are, especially young people who have been told by older people that they are special and deserve privilege. At least, that's how it is in the US.

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                      #11
                      It's not that prestigious. If it's rugger buggers you're looking for you'd be better off going to UCD.

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                        #12
                        Rather like a British accent, it still plays very well over here

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post
                          It's not that prestigious. If it's rugger buggers you're looking for you'd be better off going to UCD.
                          Hmm, "Trinity" sounds like a fancier name.

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                            #14
                            Well it is a ridiculously beautiful campus, and it literally could not be more central. But by and large the overwhelming majority of people attending dublin fee paying schools go to ucd. Toro was the only person from st Michael's, and my friend jimmy (who was a barrister in Hillsborough inquest) was the only one from blackrock. There were only four or five from Gonzaga.

                            If trinity is at the junction of dublin's two main streets, ucd is slap bang in the middle of suburban south dublin. I have no fucking idea of the value of that site If you were to build on it, but you're talking at least the guts of a couple of billion quid. Probably far more.

                            But its location leads to this bizarre dynamic where you live at home, and walk/drive to college and hang out with your friends from school, and often primary school. You all go off on a j1 to some coastal American city, wreck some accommodation and publicly commit the sort of crimes that would get a black kid three striked in an afternoon. Then quite a lot of them either go to london to college, or to work because its basically their best chance of moving out. This happens in trinity too but to a much lesser extent

                            I'd be interested to see the impact of the availability of student accommodation on the composition of the ucd student body. It's extremely unlikely that you are going to be able to get accommodation within 6 or 7 km of ucd,unless you already live there. That makes ucd a pain in the hole to get to. If You can find accommodation anywhere in dublin, the bus will take you to the front door of trinity. This has to be a big factor even among the students commuting from the midlands every morning. However long it takes to get to trinity, it's going to take you another 45 minutes to get to ucd.

                            Then again I have literally no idea how student accommodation works now, if indeed it works at all. I was extremely fortunate to go to college at a moment where accommodation was better, and more freely available, but by the time I had finished, the idea that you could live in the city centre was a wild fantasy

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Incandenza View Post

                              Hmm, "Trinity" sounds like a fancier name.
                              Well it's the college of the most blessed trinity, of the university of dublin. They never got around to opening other colleges, but that's the Elizabethans for you. You could call it tcd, but that's not any shorter to say

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post

                                Well it's the college of the most blessed trinity, of the university of dublin. They never got around to opening other colleges, but that's the Elizabethans for you. You could call it tcd, but that's not any shorter to say
                                Also implicitly named after the Cambridge college of the same title.

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                                  #17
                                  oh probably, but don't discount just how super religious those people were back then.

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post
                                    Well it is a ridiculously beautiful campus, and it literally could not be more central. But by and large the overwhelming majority of people attending dublin fee paying schools go to ucd. Toro was the only person from st Michael's, and my friend jimmy (who was a barrister in Hillsborough inquest) was the only one from blackrock. There were only four or five from Gonzaga.

                                    If trinity is at the junction of dublin's two main streets, ucd is slap bang in the middle of suburban south dublin. I have no fucking idea of the value of that site If you were to build on it, but you're talking at least the guts of a couple of billion quid. Probably far more.

                                    But its location leads to this bizarre dynamic where you live at home, and walk/drive to college and hang out with your friends from school, and often primary school. You all go off on a j1 to some coastal American city, wreck some accommodation and publicly commit the sort of crimes that would get a black kid three striked in an afternoon. Then quite a lot of them either go to london to college, or to work because its basically their best chance of moving out. This happens in trinity too but to a much lesser extent

                                    I'd be interested to see the impact of the availability of student accommodation on the composition of the ucd student body. It's extremely unlikely that you are going to be able to get accommodation within 6 or 7 km of ucd,unless you already live there. That makes ucd a pain in the hole to get to. If You can find accommodation anywhere in dublin, the bus will take you to the front door of trinity. This has to be a big factor even among the students commuting from the midlands every morning. However long it takes to get to trinity, it's going to take you another 45 minutes to get to ucd.

                                    Then again I have literally no idea how student accommodation works now, if indeed it works at all. I was extremely fortunate to go to college at a moment where accommodation was better, and more freely available, but by the time I had finished, the idea that you could live in the city centre was a wild fantasy
                                    They don’t have dorms? That sucks.

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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Hot Pepsi View Post
                                      They don't have dorms? That sucks.
                                      We used to live in a ground floor flat on Waterloo Road.

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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Gangster Octopus View Post
                                        We used to live in a ground floor flat on Waterloo Road.
                                        Is that far away?



                                        Where I went to college and most of the places I’m familiar with, students are required to live on campus (or with their parent/s) their first year and it’s possible to live on campus or in an apartment nearby for the whole time.

                                        But I suppose that’s not true everywhere. And it’s not how it used to be, especially in bigger cities. When my parents were at the University of Cincinnati, the university had no dorms at all.

                                        A lot of campuses are “commuter colleges” where most people go home somewhere not close on the weekends so there is not much of a social scene. I never saw the appeal of that, but, of course, some people have to do it that way for work or family reasons.
                                        Last edited by Hot Pepsi; 03-05-2020, 01:17.

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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Hot Pepsi View Post

                                          They don’t have dorms? That sucks.
                                          there is some on campus accommodation, If you but you'd need an order of magnitude more in order to get anywhere. You wouldn't be able to build any more student accommodation in TCD. The main chunk of student accommodation is in Dartry which is on the other side of Rathmines (about four Km away) Someone who did have on campus accommodation though was Sally Rooney, because she was a Scholar in English. She was also big into college debating, and won the International Mace, which is the big debating competition covering the British Isles, which would suggest that you should never get into a row with her. She is also apparently a Marxist, which would suggest that she sometimes employs these talents to ill conceived ends. That debating thing though makes here a pretty good example of some of the differences between TCD and UCD. It seems that having arrived up in Dublin and not knowing many people she went along to the various debates that are on of an evening, which is basically what Garcia and I did. It's not for everyone, but then again that is true of everything. And like us she only plucked up the nerve to make a speech by the end of the first year. There our paths diverge as she seems to have been a good deal better at competitive debating. One of the differences between TCD and UCD is that that is open to someone from Mayo who had never done debating or public speaking in School. Indeed over the time when I was in college, the heads of the debating society she was in were from Limerick, Mayo, Mayo and Drumcondra. (northside dublin suburb) All you really have to be is interested and want to give it a go. That's not really the case in UCD, where their main debating society held its meetings on Friday, when all the country students had gone home for the weekend. Had I gone to UCD, I would not have attended a single one of their events in my first year.

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                                            #22
                                            I've heard you mention college debating before. Is it really big in Ireland? In three years as an undergraduate in the UK (Warwick), I never once encountered this phenomenon (which is not to say that it didn't exist there, obviously, but it sounds like it was a big deal in Dublin, and if it were that big a deal where I was i would at least have noticed it, even if I did no more than that). In this International Mace who are the common winners? If it's big in the UK as well as Ireland, is it an Oxbridge thing?

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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Gangster Octopus View Post
                                              We used to live in a ground floor flat on Waterloo Road.
                                              That is one of those residential areas that was more..... accessible perhaps at the time than it would be today. That is an extremely desirable address given its location. You can check it out on Google street view, it's tree lined city street, with houses with front gardens. I'd say it could have been considerably less swish and well maintained in the not too distant past. I suspect that the Romanian Govt bought their embassy there when the prices were a bit more reasonable. The Amazon HQ is at the end of the street.

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                                                #24
                                                Answering my own question, i guess this is the competition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_S...Past_champions

                                                Which seems to show that it;s big in Scotland, Ireland, Oxbridge and the various law specific colleges in London

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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by ad hoc View Post
                                                  I've heard you mention college debating before. Is it really big in Ireland? In three years as an undergraduate in the UK (Warwick), I never once encountered this phenomenon (which is not to say that it didn't exist there, obviously, but it sounds like it was a big deal in Dublin, and if it were that big a deal where I was i would at least have noticed it, even if I did no more than that). In this International Mace who are the common winners? If it's big in the UK as well as Ireland, is it an Oxbridge thing?
                                                  It's tiny. very small numbers of people take part compared to the overall student population. But that's kind of true of every college activity. A lot of people might go to one event in their first year, possibly more now that the standard of event, and guests is so much higher. You could get a very misleading idea of how relatively widespread it was because former OTFers Garcia, Toro, The supergrass, AddictedtoLowe, and Mark Felt and I all know each other through one of these college societies. In the past you would only have encountered it in secondary school if you went to a relatively few, expensive schools in Dublin, but I think that has changed quite a bit over the last two decades, as there are a variety of national competitions now for secondary schools and it has become a thing for people to do in Transition year (a fourth year given over to, er, dossing around and growing up a bit and doing different things)

                                                  You'd meet people from warwick University at intervarsity competitions in the UK at the turn of this century, so it would seem that they were well into it, but it was an extremely Oxbridge heavy thing in the UK.

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