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    #26
    Kubrick and KD didn't exactly hit it off."He was a bastard! Though a talented, talented guy." according to Douglas. They were at particular loggerheads over the famous "I am Spartacus!" scene. Kubrick hated it, Douglas wouldn't cut it. It sent Kubrick into therapy.

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      #27
      Originally posted by ad hoc View Post
      The Harvey Weinstein of his day? The Natalie Wood rumour would certainly suggest so
      Kirk Douglas was probably a shit to many women, but this is almost certainly bogus for a number of reasons and should be taken as essentially QAnonist bullshit.

      The only source for this was a commenter on a blind-item gossip blog that commenters decided was Robert Downey Jr, based on some hints that you can easily find on Google. It piggybacks on a claim from Lana Wood that her sister was raped by a "powerful Hollywood figure" when she was 16. Obviously everybody else who would qualify is now dead, and so it doesn't work as decent gossip in 2012 unless you go with the one living guy who would qualify: Kirk Douglas.

      This same commenter claimed Hayden Panittiere and Amanda Bynes were pimped out as children by their parents, and the proprietor of the blog is now basically trafficking mainly in "X is a secret pedophile!" blind items.

      Wonkette had a pretty good takedown of the claim. People have got to stop believing everything they read on the Internet.

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        #28
        It wasn't the only source, though.

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          #29
          There was a TV movie bio about Natalie in 2004, The Mystery of Natalie Wood, and it does include her being raped by an older man who is influential in Hollywood, though it gives him a fake name. Even back then, people were mentioning Kirk Douglas as being this person.

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            #30
            One of the primary sources for the rape story is Lana Wood, who was 8 years old at the time so could perhaps be hazy on the details. And she has a reputation for saying a lot of sensational things when there's a story about Natalie to be sold. In Lana's version, her and her mother are waiting outside whe a tearful Natalie emerges. In another version, Natalie returns home alone, confiding to a friend the next day that she is scared to tell her mother.
            I used to be a big Natalie Wood fan and have read quite a few biographies and the stories in those books are remarkably inconsistent to say she was in the public eye from an early age. Which probably comes from her family's predeliction for embellishing the truth, or flat out making stuff up.
            Her mother was insane, and caused major pyschological damage to the daughters as she pushed them/pimped them towards stardom. 16 year old Natalie was already in a sexual relationship with her 44 year old Rebel Without A Cause director Nicholas Ray.

            None of which is to say that she wasn't raped, maybe she was. But 65 years on, for it to be an indisputable fact that Kirk Douglas was responsible is not backed up by any sort of reliable evidence.

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              #31
              Originally posted by MsD View Post
              It wasn't the only source, though.
              Yes it is, there is no other source for that story. If you read the article you would have seen that made very clear.

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                #32
                There are a number of other stories about Douglas though. If you read his autobiography The Ragman's Son written twenty years ago or more he admits to being a creep and a harrasser,

                this is from his obituary in The New York Times


                Douglas very much lived like a movie star, or even a king, in the pre-#MeToo era. Marriage and other commitments didn’t keep him from being romantically linked with many of his female co-stars, among them Gene Tierney, Patricia Neal and Marlene Dietrich. He would recall playing Ann Sothern’s husband in “A Letter to Three Wives” and how he and the actress “rehearsed the relationship offstage.”

                Speaking to The Associated Press about Douglas in December 2016, less than a year before the #MeToo movement caught on, the actress and dancer Neile Adams lightheartedly said of her friend, “You could not sit beside him without his hand crawling up your leg.”

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                  #33
                  Originally posted by Amor de Cosmos View Post
                  Kubrick and KD didn't exactly hit it off."He was a bastard! Though a talented, talented guy." according to Douglas. They were at particular loggerheads over the famous "I am Spartacus!" scene. Kubrick hated it, Douglas wouldn't cut it. It sent Kubrick into therapy.
                  Is there a book about the making of Spartacus? I'd buy it. I read a biography of Dalton Trumbo a while back that had Trumbo's accounts of writing for the film. Douglas threw out a lot of his dialogue but not the homoeroticism - maybe it flew over his head.

                  Natalie Wood's life seems to have echoes of Judy Garland. The movies are the last place that kids with toxic family backgrounds should have been around.

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                    #34
                    Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Post
                    There are a number of other stories about Douglas though. If you read his autobiography The Ragman's Son written twenty years ago or more he admits to being a creep and a harrasser,

                    this is from his obituary in The New York Times
                    Lots of people are creeps and cheat on their wives, that doesn't mean he brutally raped a 16 year old just because a guy in Virginia who claimed to be Robert Downey Jr said so.

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                      #35
                      I didn’t say he did. I just pointed out that there are a number of unsavoury stories about Douglas behaviour, some from his own autobiography.

                      the story I quoted wasn’t about him cheating on his wife.
                      Last edited by Nefertiti2; 11-02-2020, 15:15.

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                        #36
                        Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Post
                        I didn’t say he did. I just pointed out that there are a number of unsavoury stories about Douglas behaviour, some from his own autobiography.

                        the story I quoted wasn’t about him cheating on his wife.
                        It does mention being married though.

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