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  • Rogin the Armchair fan
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    Originally posted by San Bernardhinault View Post
    Of the two Documentary Features I've seen, I really like Free Solo over RBG. The Ginsberg hagiography is fine, but it's a hagiography. Free Solo is brilliantly filmed, makes you actually kind of dislike Alex Honnold rather than just playing him as a hero, and gave me, at least, pains in my legs just watching some of the ridiculous moves he made on the climb.
    Saw Free Solo for the first time last night. That guy is both incredible and a complete lunatic at the same time. He appears to have absolutely no fear of death -not in a brave way, but actually an "If I die, I die" way. I guess some other extreme sports fanatics must have that same absence of giving a toss about themselves.

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  • Ray de Galles
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    Originally posted by Felicity, I guess so View Post
    On Bohemian Rhapsody, a couple of my students are really outraged it got nominated for editing- they showed me the sequence of the band signing up with new manager and the cutting is clumsy, with each member of the band getting a reaction shot each time. I know May and Taylor are behind the film but didn’t realise that included any insistence everyone got a close up!
    That scene is shown and referenced here :

    Bohemian Rhapsody editor wants to put a bag over his head when watching THAT scene



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  • Lucy Waterman
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    She deserves it alone for the fact it means there will be a Best Actress Oscar on a mantelpiece in Peckham.

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  • San Bernardhinault
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    Olivia Colman is great, but if I were querying dodgy choices of who was lead/supporting in the nominations it would probably be her and Emma Stone in The Favourite rather than Mahershala Ali/Viggo Mortensen in Green Book.

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  • Lucy Waterman
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    Olivia Colman is a friend of a friend and (yes, I will mention this forever) had lunch with the two of us once. I was star struck then, and that was before Broadchurch, Night Manager et al. She is 100% as nice as she seems and absurdly down to earth given her talents.

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  • The Awesome Berbaslug!!!
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    I've heard Green book described as "Driving Miss Daisy 2: This time the white one drives"

    is that fair? I remember being very uncomfortable watching that movie as a child.

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  • WOM
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    Sorry...I was responding to SB. You slipped in...

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  • Ray de Galles
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    No, I don't have one. Just explaining why one would be terms "lead" actor and one "supporting" for awards. 'Green Book' is far more about a central duo than 'Sopranos' though, by the by.

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  • WOM
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    Sure...and the Sopranos is mostly about Tony. I don't see the issue.

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  • Ray de Galles
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    I see it as more of a genuine two-hander with co-leads. The decision to put forward Mortensen as lead and Ali as supporting actor seems to be geared towards awards politics and not splitting the vote between them in one category. The story is told from Mortenson's perspective and he's in pretty much every scene so he gets the nod.

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  • San Bernardhinault
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    Fair enough. But it's clear that the story is mostly about the Mortensen character. Which...etc etc...

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  • WOM
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    There was no book. The script was co-written by the son of the driver character, along with director Farrelly. And any story is seen through the lens of the teller. That's not necessarily a drawback...it's just their perspective.

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  • San Bernardhinault
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    Arguably that's part of the problem - the book was written by the bloke Mortensen plays so it inevitably means that the Mortensen character is the lead and the focus of the story. But that means that it's racism looked at through the prism of a white observer

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  • ad hoc
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    Yes.

    It's not like Philadelphia when Hanks won the leading actor award for a film in which Denzel Washington was the lead

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  • Bordeaux Education
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    Having not seen it, is Mortenson genuinely the leading actor and Ali the supporting actor?

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  • G-Man
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    I enjoyed Blackkklansman, but for a movie that ends with a sermon over reality footage, it seems a strange decision to alter something as basic as the timeline of the story it's based on. I can see why Lee might have liked to create a mood of Naturals, Black Panthers and early '70s soul, but doing so at the expense of reflecting the authenticity of the story you are telling? You don't get movies about Hitler set in the 1950s because you want the SS goosestep to "See You Later, Alligator".

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  • Felicity, I guess so
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    Admittedly my positive response to Green Book came after a number of “warnings” against it. I often find that- no-one else likes it, you find the value in it; the world loves it... meh
    but I defend the pretty mediocre Bohemian Rhapsody because if you’re old enough to remember/vaguely like Queen, Mesut Ozil’s (sorry...) performance is great and it does a competent job;

    I will defend GB because BOTH performances are extraordinarily good and the costumes are great and the script really gets the job done...and, yes, it’s a bit “liberal movie that Hollywood likes” but it’s also a true fucking story, one that doesn’t hide the white character’s racism whereas, much as I enjoyed Black KKK, ITS deception/artifice is far worse, presenting a black cop who infiltrated the black movement as an unambiguous hero (who gets the cool black chick) and for all Spike throws Trump’s USA at us to make it powerful and relevant, that really sticks in the throat

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  • WOM
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    Spike Lee is a Grade A shit.

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  • The Awesome Berbaslug!!!
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    Spike Lee turned his back when Green book won. I don't think he was impressed. (and I don't think it was because he didn't win)

    I haven't seen any of these movies, but I'm delighted that Olivia Colman won an oscar. I don't care if she deserved it or not. They should give more oscars to people involved in peep show.

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  • G-Man
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    Best moment of the show: Trevor Noah speaking Xhosa, translating it to mean some guff when what he said was: "The white people don't know I'm lying to them."

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  • WOM
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    Okay, I see what you're saying in that regard. Kinda like a 'Hallmark' movie of the week about love being a poor representation of a real-life marriage.

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  • San Bernardhinault
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    It's not the accuracy that's the problem with Green Book. It's that it's the black experience of racism in America all seen through the lens of white men. It's that the black man's problems are redeemed and solved by a white man. It's that it paints black identity in America as being basically about eating fried chicken. And it's that while it talks about racism in America (in a very heavy handed way), it does so in a way that makes sure that it's completely separate and unrelated to modern America with a nice safe distance of time, and we're comfortable that the racism is all in the past - Nobody needs a Green Book now.

    None of this would matter very much if it was the kind of film you watched on a Thursday evening on Netflix, and were entertained by. It does matter when it's being voted as the very best film of the year.

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  • WOM
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    I don't think it's Oscar-worthiness depends on its historical / cultural accuracy. I think that's an odd measure.

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  • ursus arctos
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    I don't get that at all.

    If Akiro Kurosawa came back from the dead and directed a typically brilliant film apologia for the Tokyo Sarin attacks inspired by Aum Shinrikyo propaganda, I would not support it for Best Picture or any other award.

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  • WOM
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    I have real issues with Green Book being discounted or minimized because it isn't an accurate portrayal of the black experience, or its being inaccurate to its setting or its historical time or its source material or purported message, etc. The film is what the film is. That's not why it shouldn't have won.

    By all accounts, it simply couldn't hold a candle to some of the other nominees. That's what people should be talking about.

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